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Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 13:45 #46579

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Dear users,

Yesterday I bought CCD 1.4 and installed it. I run the game on one 1680 x 1050 display with a HD 4850 graphics card.

The first time after starting the program I went straight to Free Driving with all the default settings. In this session I managed to adjust my mirrors so that you can barely see your own car anymore, just part of the back door was left. If I wanted to, I could have set the mirrors so wide that you couldn't see your own car anymore at all.

After the first session I lowered some of the graphics settings to achieve better fps. The default settings weren't horrible, but just slightly laggy. Now my problem is: ever since I changed the graphics settings, somehow my freedom in adjusting the mirrors has been restricted severely. Here is a picture:



I can push the button all I want, it will go no further than that. Perhaps I am overlooking something obvious here. Could anyone help me adjust my mirrors properly?

The obvious solution would be to return all graphics settings to the originals, but that didn't work.

Thanks and best regards,

Arnie
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 14:56 #46580

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Hello,

Does this occur in the virtual mirrors, the real mirrors or both?
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 15:30 #46581

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Thanks for your reply. The problem occurs in both the virtual mirrors and the real mirrors. It happens also when I turn off the virtual mirrors as shown in these screenshots: 1 2 This is as wide as I can possibly set those mirrors.

Note that adjusting them in the other direction (towards the car) still works. Of course that provides a useless view, but it indicates that it's not the controls that are broken. Adjusting them back towards the road also works - until it stops at the point depicted in the screenshots, and goes no further. So in principle the four arrow buttons are functional, it's just that the angles of adjustment are very limited.

If I could somehow completely remove the program's configuration so that it starts up as if it was just installed - that would allow me to experiment and see what setting exactly "breaks" the mirrors. But I fear doing this will break my serial/activation. Please let me know if there is any way to completely reset the program without having to go through the whole installation & activation procedure again.

Also, I installed the CCD program that I downloaded from the link sent to me by e-mail yesterday. Are there any additional patches I should know about?
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 21:47 #46593

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Have you tried to use another car, or a mod? It may be a mirror issue with this car. : )
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 21:53 #46594

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Hello,

I believe this could be caused by:

a) The new graphic setting is "stretched". Does your game look fine (nothing is too wide/too narrow)? This is probably not the problem, but make sure your monitor resolution correlates with your CCD in game resolution. Personally, I prefer to lower the texture setting rather than the graphic size, so maybe this can fix your problem.

b) As 177 said, unless this is a stock car (the ones which are in the 'default' category. If you do not have mods, this will be the only category) the mirrors' correct functioning is not guaranteed.

I suggest you try lowering texture quality rather than display size and hopefully the problem will fix itself. If not, I'll try to look into the in - game files and attempt to see where the file is hidden.

Note: If you are using DX 11, the problem might come from there. There are multiple glitches in DX 11 that do not occur in DX 9, so I suggest trying it :) .

Best,

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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 11 Jun 2015 23:42 #46602

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Hi Spoutnik,

Thank you for your suggestions. I have not installed any mods; this is in fact the default car that is selected immediately after installing the program. All I did after installing was configuring my Logitech G25 controls, then I had my first ride with all settings on default which was fine, then I changed my graphics settings and the problem started happening.

My original attempt with the properly working mirror used DirectX 11. When the mirror problem started happening, I had changed some graphics settings but not DirectX - that was still 11. Later I switched back to DirectX 9 which was used to take the 3 screenshots I posted earlier. So the DirectX version seems to have nothing to do with it.

As for the game looking stretched - I do not know what it's supposed to look like since this is my first time trying it. But both during the first, properly working run and during the subsequent ones with the bugged mirror, my screen looked exactly like the 3 screenshots posted here. Judging from those screenshots I would say it's not stretched.

As for changing the texture quality vs. resolution, I have the same preferences you do. So I never touched the resolution setting at all - each and every time I drove was at the monitor's native resolution 1680 x 1050. I know this for a fact because I always check it (my monitor has an info option). What I changed which seems to have broken the mirrors was the texture quality - some from High to Medium, others from Medium to Low. Also I remember that originally after installation the AA was set to 4x, I changed it to 2x.

All of these settings I have tried reverting to their original value, but that did not help.

I think I will completely wipe the game and reinstall it, and see what happens then. Also I would like to note that this is on a fresh Windows 7 64-bits installation with all updates and the most recent drivers, since I reinstalled the whole computer last week.
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 12 Jun 2015 01:49 #46608

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Ok, I managed to reproduce the problem. Turns out it has nothing to do with the graphics settings. The mirrors simply always work well on the first ride, then malfunction on the second. It was just a coincidence that I happened to had changed some graphics settings between my first and second ride.

Here's what I did to reproduce the problem.

1. Did a completely fresh install of CCD 1.4.1 on a completely fresh Windows 7 machine with all the latest drivers for my hardware and no other software.
2. Started CCD 1.4.1 as Administrator and created a player profile.
3. Clicked Settings and changed only two things: I checked the Virtual Mirrors box, and I mapped a key on my Logitech G25 to the "Adjustment of Mirrors" function. Then I clicked Back to leave the settings menu.
4. Clicked Free Driving, clicked Start.
5. Result: nicely adjustable mirrors (see screenshot).
6. Pressed Escape, clicked "Start again". Mirrors are still nicely adjustable.
7. Pressed Escape, clicked Exit, then clicked Back.
8. Clicked Free Driving, clicked Start.
9. Result: mirrors are now stuck (see screenshot).
10. I give up, exit the program and delete the folder C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\Forward Development\City Car Driving. Now we end up back at step 2 where I can create a profile and successfully adjust my mirrors. But only the first time I go on a Free Drive.

I repeated the above process without Virtual Mirrors switched on (instead using Left Ctrl/Right Ctrl to set mirrors). The result was exactly the same.

I repeated the above process and did not adjust the mirrors during the first Free Drive, instead just immediately clicking Exit. In that case the mirrors do adjust properly the second Free Drive. But then they jam in the third session. So basically I can adjust the mirrors once, then every next session they jam until I delete the settings directory.
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 12 Jun 2015 13:01 #46625

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I think it will help if you switch cars between free drive sessions.
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 12 Jun 2015 15:51 #46628

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Thanks for your suggestion. I repeated the same steps as above, this time not with the default car but with the second one in the car list. The bug also appears here. During the first and the second Free Drive session, the mirrors had enough freedom for my purposes. (See screenshot of adjusted mirrors.) But now in the third session, this is what I got: see screenshot, that's as far as they go. Then the fourth session is even worse.

Next, I deleted C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\Forward Development\City Car Driving and started with a clean profile. After 2 sessions with the second car and mirrors that worked well, I tried switching to the default car. The mirrors were jammed immediately. Then I switched back to the second car, and its mirrors were jammed too. (See screenshot - that's as far as the mirrors go).

In another session I did the following (from a clean profile):
1. Free Drive with the second car, mirrors ok
2. Free Drive with the third car, mirrors ok
3. Free Drive with the second car, mirrors stuck
4. Free Drive with the third car, mirrors stuck

Conclusion: the bug also appears in other cars, and also stays when I switch cars between Free Ride sessions.

Note that it's possible that in the second session where I still think the mirrors are ok, they are actually already restricted to some degree. Just not enough yet to prevent proper adjustment.

To see if maybe the Windows region setting has anything to do with it, I tried both English (United States) and Dutch (Netherlands). The main difference between these localizations is that US has . as decimal separator while NL has , as decimal separator. Some software chokes on that, but in this case the bug appeared in both localizations.

To see if maybe the bug is specific to Free Drive mode, I once again deleted the settings folder and started the first training of Career mode on a clean profile. It turned out that this driving lesson uses the same car that's on second place in the car list for Free Drive mode. The results were exactly the same as in Free Drive mode. During the first two times I started the training exercise, I could properly adjust the mirrors. But the third and fourth session had jammed mirrors. Here is a screenshot of the fourth session.

So far we've seen the bug is independent of graphics settings (DirectX etc.), Free Drive or career mode, restarting game/computer or not, virtual mirror setting (on or off), car choice and Windows localization. After spending some hours to prove these things, I would now really like to know whether the bug is independent of which computer one uses. I cannot try this myself, so my next question is: could anyone try exactly following the 10-point checklist from my previous post to see if the bug can be reproduced? You can skip the clean Windows 7 installation obviously, that's just there to make sure the bug is not due to anything in my OS.

It would really help to know whether this is something specific to my machine/installation, or something in general with CCD 1.4.1. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Mirror adjustment suddenly has very limited scope 12 Jun 2015 19:36 #46630

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Does it happen if you fully exit the game between sessions?

PS: I like you. Your posts are very detailed :lol:
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